Comments on: White students more likely to secure law firm sponsorship, research finds https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Tue, 04 Jun 2024 19:57:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Yeah https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192331 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 19:57:24 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192331 In reply to Legal Recruiter Manchester.

There is nothing like second hand limited anecdotes to support a generic extrapolation.

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By: Jane https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192324 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 15:03:57 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192324 In reply to Genuinely interested.

I just started reading it – see https://www.sra.org.uk/sra/research-publications/potential-causes-differential-outcomes-legal-professional-assessments#exeter I cannot see a way to download it as a pdf which would be a lot better. In a sense it sums it all up – we get a mickey mouse summary only, very hard to get the details and then they treat readers like children who need tiny snippets page by page; and then they point out that exams are too hard for some people if they closed book and that perhaps we should change the rules presumably to give “prizes for all” even if they cannot pass the exams/put in the work…. anyway I will read on with an open mind.

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By: Legal Recruiter Manchester https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192314 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 10:57:00 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192314 In reply to Anon.

I agree. My sister’s best friend is a lawyer. She is black with an accent. Slightly over 30.
She shared quite a few stories from her TC and from client meetings. Nothing direct but a few clients, particularly white men aged around 40-50, seemed shocked or disgusted than she dared to speak during the meeting.

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By: Genuinely interested https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192313 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 10:47:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192313 I tried to find the full research through the link, but struggled. A comment above also finds this lacking in granularity.

The headline statement says “White students more likely to secure law firm sponsorship”. Is this correct or does the research instead say that of the people who are on a course, X% from Y demographic have also got (or not got) sponsorship?

The suggestion is that proportionately, if a black or other ethic minority student were to apply for sponsorship, they would be less likely than the same white student in obtaining the sponsorship.

Would be interesting to, e.g., look at the statistics of the top 15 law firms in the City and publish the following data:
1. Of all the applications made to your firm, are you proportionately more or less likely to offer a place to a white student than to a minority student? If a bias does emerge from this data, in whose favour does it lean?
2. Is the make up of incoming and current trainees representative of UK demographics? Do you disproportionately have more white students? Is there balance or is there a disproportionate bias towards particular demographics?

I think this would be really helpful in assessing whether there are biases prejudicial to particular groups.

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By: Anonymouse https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192310 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:58:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192310 “Asian” is not an ethnicity. Han Chinese and Pakistanis are both Asian ethnicities but in the UK experience wildly different socioeconomic outcome. Even among south Asians, those of Indian and Pakistani heritage differ sharply in their life experiences. Even among Indians we see a clear difference between those of Ugandan-Asian extraction and those whose ancestors migrated directly from the subcontinent. A similar divergence can be observed between those whose ancestors migrated from Africa itself, especially from Ghana, Uganda and Nigeria, and those of Caribbean extraction.

Put simply, differences between ethnic minorities are more significant and frankly more interesting than those between the white majority and the various ethnic minorities. The failure to properly granularise these findings is at best lazy and at worst disingenuous.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192306 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:19:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192306 Couldn’t agree more with “The report says the absence of ethnic diversity among academic staff and in the examples taught in law schools can affect students’ sense of belonging and perception of fitting into the profession. They said this situation can lead to microaggressions and bias from academic staff in the classroom, ultimately impacting the learning experience of minority ethnic students.” The same is true when working in the profession i.e. law firms.

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By: Tim https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/white-students-more-likely-to-secure-law-firm-sponsorship-major-sra-report-finds/#comment-1192304 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 08:22:15 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205645#comment-1192304 What is being done for disabled applicants?

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